Jun 05, 2011, 03:09 PM // 15:09 | #1 | |
Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: holland
Guild: easy
Profession: N/A
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is this scamming?
i was betting against this guy for lockpicks and ecto's
than i raised the stakes and said i wanted to bet my voltaic spear against his 25 ecto. well we rolled and here is the result! edited aaagain the names out by request so yea he left whitout paying after losing -_-...... should i report him or will it just be ignored? ----------------------- Marty edit: Quote:
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Jun 05, 2011, 03:38 PM // 15:38 | #2 |
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jan 2011
Guild: UNO
Profession: W/
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First of all, edit his name in the screenshot, it's frowned upon on Guru to show other people's IGN without their consent.
Secondly, it's difficult to say. From what I've seen, scamming is defined by ANet as trying to misrepresent an item or a deal, using false information, or bailing out on a deal after the goods or services were delivered. This betting thing doesn't technically fall under either case. Personally, I'd consider it more similar to agreeing to do a trade and then one party changing their mind. Since you haven't lost anything it's hard to show exactly how you were hurt. I guess the best way to find out is to ask support. You can also report him, but you don't get told the report outcome. Last edited by Urcscumug; Jun 05, 2011 at 03:42 PM // 15:42.. |
Jun 05, 2011, 03:45 PM // 15:45 | #3 |
Academy Page
Join Date: Feb 2011
Profession: R/A
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He has a gambling problem. Get the loan sharks after him. They will make him pay.
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Jun 05, 2011, 03:58 PM // 15:58 | #4 |
Forge Runner
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Denmark
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Yeah you should report him for scamming you in a bet, hopefully you will both get banned that way
Or in other words, I'm fairly certain gambling in game is against the rules so you should just not talk about it. |
Jun 05, 2011, 04:03 PM // 16:03 | #5 |
Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2006
Guild: Organised Spam [OS]
Profession: W/
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Yeah, that's why they disabled /roll in outsposts, they turned into casinos, I don't think ANet approve.
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Jun 05, 2011, 04:06 PM // 16:06 | #6 |
Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: holland
Guild: easy
Profession: N/A
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for 1: i dont know about you but when i get scammed i realy dont mind his name get posted on guru
2nd: if he has a problem with e posting his name here he can contact me ingame pay me 25 ecto and i will gladly remove it. 3nd:he started the bet i rolled then he rolled so ye its a bit late to bail out then. (it's like poker when you go all in i show my cards he shows his, then the last flip comes out and then he disides to take his bet back) 4th: gambling in-game is not against the rules. |
Jun 05, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24 | #7 |
Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2005
Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz
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5th: his name is still in the screenshot .
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Jun 05, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24 | #8 |
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jan 2008
Profession: Mo/
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There's really no legal backing of this kind of gambling, I'm afraid you're on your own on this one. It's just too easy to scam people this way, so don't do it or do it on your own risk.
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Jun 05, 2011, 05:36 PM // 17:36 | #9 |
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Aug 2010
Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP]
Profession: W/
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Its the same thing as agreeing on a deal and then just not trading. Both parties left with what they started with. I've pulled back on deals before in game because I had changed my mind. It's a virtual world, not real life. Your actions and decisions to get serious enough to report hin for ragequitting after he lost a bet in a game scares me. The bet was agreed upon with an "ok". This wasn't physical shaking of hands or both parties typing in chat their full character names to lock the deal. That is more professional but even then, to be reported for this is just ridiclous.
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Jun 05, 2011, 06:40 PM // 18:40 | #10 |
Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Denmark
Guild: Jade Reapers [JD]
Profession: W/
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You still haven't blacked out the name... You wrote it in the chat /durr...
No, it's not scamming, since you didn't lose anything. |
Jun 05, 2011, 06:49 PM // 18:49 | #11 |
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jan 2011
Guild: UNO
Profession: W/
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ANet/NCSoft might actually take issue with gambling in game, because it might have RL consequences. Lots of countries frown upon unregulated gambling of any kind.
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Jun 05, 2011, 06:51 PM // 18:51 | #12 |
Hell's Protector
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Canada
Guild: Brothers Disgruntled
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No, it's not scamming.
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Jun 05, 2011, 07:59 PM // 19:59 | #13 |
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Aug 2010
Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP]
Profession: W/
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Oh did I also mention that in your screenshot you said "he left XD" as in you were amused that he left. There is no sign of you being hurt after using an emoticon like "XD".
That, being your first reaction, leads me to believe that it was bullshit all along and that if YOU lost you would leave too and hold on to your Volatic. Say what you want but it's true lol. |
Jun 05, 2011, 08:25 PM // 20:25 | #14 |
Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: holland
Guild: easy
Profession: N/A
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i just found it funny that i wonn with those odds i rolled than a thought Fck but then i was like zomg i won.
ques i pm him hen he's online if thats the only thing i can do. |
Jun 05, 2011, 08:37 PM // 20:37 | #15 | |
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Inside the Oblivion Gate
Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE]
Profession: E/Me
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you shouldn't do gambling. period. |
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Jun 05, 2011, 08:43 PM // 20:43 | #16 | |
Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jan 2009
Guild: [SOTA]
Profession: D/
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And of course it's not scamming. He's not actually under any obligation to pay you at all. |
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Jun 05, 2011, 08:52 PM // 20:52 | #17 |
Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Feb 2011
Guild: Fire
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Gambling entails risk. In real life if you bet against a mean old dawg who doesn't like to lose big, he may pull out a gun and shoot you.
Why the hell would GW be any different? You lost, he bailed... that's life, man up and get over it. |
Jun 05, 2011, 08:57 PM // 20:57 | #18 |
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Oct 2007
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I would call it reneging - fail to fulfill a promise. Scamming involves acquiring something which didn't happen. If gambling was legal and enforced by anet than it would be a bad-debt and you would need to go to a collection agency (anet) and they could issue a bad credit report (ban) but since anet doesn't support gambling just laugh it off?.
Also, you can't really cry scam when you engage in something against the rules. Edit old example didn't apply to op. You can't go to a judge and ask for a refund because the hitman you hired didn't kill your business partner. Last edited by melissa b; Jun 05, 2011 at 09:30 PM // 21:30.. |
Jun 05, 2011, 09:12 PM // 21:12 | #19 | |
Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: holland
Guild: easy
Profession: N/A
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i just spoke to him he said he diddent saw the toss ^^ soooooo i gave him the link to the picture and havent heared from him yet. also everyone bets like who wil pay for cons /toss 100 |
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Nov 2006
Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest
Profession: W/
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